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>> We're here today in the
Deep Space Habitat mockup

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with Sarah Shull, who's
the Deputy Project Manager

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for the Logistics Reduction
and Repurposing Group

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with the Advanced Exploration
Project that you mentioned.

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And she's got a couple
of projects she's going

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to show us starting out
with some cargo bags.

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Tell us -- I guess let's start
-- back up a little bit though

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and say what is Logistics
Reduction and Repurposing?

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>> So Logistics Reduction and
Repurposing is a AES project,

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as you mentioned, Advanced
Exploration System.

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We like to say it's kind
of NASA's reduce, reuse,

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recycle project --
the "green" mentality.

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And so what we're looking
at is items that you fly

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for logistical needs and trash
as well, what can you do with it

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after it's served
their primary purpose?

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So is there a secondary purpose?

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You know you've paid a lot of
money and spent a lot of effort

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to fly this stuff to space
and what can you use it

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for as a secondary purpose?

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>> Right and I know
that's one thing

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that if you've watched
NASA TV very often

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at all you see the astronauts
unloading things that have come

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up on progress and then
repacking it with trash.

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And it's just, I know, kind of
an ongoing problem of what to do

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with all the trash that --

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>> Right. Right --

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>> They're looking at.

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>> The space station makes.

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.

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>> Yeah we're looking at what
we can do to help with that

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for the next, you know,
deep space missions.

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>> Right. And it's complicated
when you go further, right?

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>> Yes. Yeah.

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It gets even more complicated.

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You - we don't envision having
quite as many resupply missions,

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so your capability to both bring
supplies up and take supplies --

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take trash away will be limited.

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>> Okay. Well, so I think
you've got one of the projects

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that you've been working on
this year here to show us.

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One of the cargo bags?

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>> Yeah. So what this is,

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on station they use what are
called cargo transfer bags --

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CTB's.

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You've probably seen
them in the video

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and photos -- they're white --

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>> Right.

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>> Actually on station
they're white nomex.

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Same dimensions -- this is the
same dimensions as a single one.

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So what we've done is look
at this and say, you know,

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we envisioned for a crew
of four on a year mission,

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you may need 150
approximately of these bags just

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to carry all the supplies.

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So what can you --

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>> It [inaudible] of
clothes, or food or --

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>> Right. Clothes --

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>> Equipment.

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>> Equipment, yeah anything.

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And they actually do
come in various sizes;

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this is the most common size.

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>> Okay.

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>> So we looked at
what could you --

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how could you redesign this bag

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such that you could have
a secondary purpose.

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So this is our MCTB, modified

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or multi-purpose actually,
cargo transfer bag.

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And I'll show you, this is
it in its bag configuration.

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And then what it can do -- oh
yeah, if you'll hold that --

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is it actually unfolds
into a rectangle of fabric.

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So we designed it so that
it makes a, you know,

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a perfect rectangle and then you
can repurpose this rectangle.

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>> Right.

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>> And I guess the
shape is important --

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>> Yeah.

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>> Usually when you unfold a box
it doesn't make a rectangle --

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>> Right.

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>> When you -- if you
look at just -- we --

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when we brainstormed how to
unfold it we came up with a lot

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of more like T-shapes
or cross shape

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and that is awkward to try to --

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>> Right.

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>> Repurpose.

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So we thought, okay,
how can we make it?

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And working with our
soft goods lab here

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at JC we came up
with this concept.

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>> Okay. And so this
unfolds into this

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and then what do you do with
it once it is a rectangle?

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>> So we actually, as a team,
brainstormed use cases for it

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and we came up with
about 50 use cases.

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Some were very obvious
and those are some

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of the ones we demonstrated
here in the Deep Space Hab.

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Things like partitions --

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you can actually see behind
us there's two of these bags.

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You're looking actually
into the hygiene module

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on the deep space habitat and
we've had people living here

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for several days of a time,
over a course of different tests

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over the past few years.

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And behind is basically
the restroom,

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and you want a little privacy
in there so [chuckles] --

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>> I would think so.

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>> Basically made some curtains.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So what we did is we
gave the crew the bags

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in the bag configuration
that Brandy has --

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>> The -- full of
things probably?

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>> Packed with, you know, toilet
paper and hand soap and stuff

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and said, you know,
unpack it on your first day

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and then unfold them -- and
they were given procedures.

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And then join a couple together
and make this partition.

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So you could see behind
us there's actually two.

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They're zipped end-to-end.

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So the bags have zippers along
the edge as well as some snaps

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so you can join them, you
know, short end to short end

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or long end to long end
and make a chain of these.

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>> Okay.

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>> And so that's what
they were able to use.

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And they used them as their
privacy partitions during the

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Deep Space Hab testing.

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And we got -- we asked
the crew some feedback

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and we got good feedback;
they liked it.

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So --

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>> So that was a
successful text then?

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>> Very successful.

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>> What are some of the other
uses ya'll came up with?

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>> Oh, they ranged quite wildly
so we had some, you know,

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pretty innovative ones.

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You could, in desperation,
use this as clothing probably.

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I'm not sure we want to
baseline that concept.

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But some of the more
practical ones, sleeping bags,

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you could probably join several
of these and make a sleeping bag

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and then just swap
out maybe the liner,

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like we currently do on station.

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And I guess if nothing else,
if you're able to unfold it

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and make it flat, if
you've got 150 of them,

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just that much is
probably a good thing --

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>> Right.

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>> Rather than having
to stack them

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which takes up a lot more room.

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>> Right. Yeah, they're
squishable

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like that, but definitely flat.

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Like when we store them

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in our lab we store
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up a lot less space.

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>> And you could, I mean
you could even just use them

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for towels, rags, stuff
like that, you know?

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At least it's a secondary
use made up.

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>> Okay. Well what are -
what's kind of the next step

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for your project then?

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>> So now we're looking at --
so we've got the crew feedback,

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so we'll look to see if
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modifications we need to make
to the bag from that feedback.

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We're also hoping
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to fly this to station
as a test.

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So we're kind of asking
around and looking

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for a compelling
use case on station.

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We've identified a few
potential use cases

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where the crew has said,

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oh we really could use a
partition here, or not --

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so we are looking
more into that --

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>> Okay. So --

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>> Hopefully --

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>> More to come on
that then, right?

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>> Right. Yeah.

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>> Well thank you so much
for talking with us Sarah,

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and we're going to be back
in a few minutes to talk

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about another of the projects
that she's been working

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on together to melt
down some trash

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and make that useable as well.

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So we'll be back in just a
bit, but for now back to Pat

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in the Mission Control Center.